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Pravles Redneckoff's avatar

> Bottom line: privacy is not a Russian thing.

My experience is more varied.

In the IT sector there are companies who seem to understand that some people only want to talk about business at work. I worked in teams where the only thing you talk about is the work you do and I like it (the others, probably, as well).

In my opinion, what characterizes Russia is not necessarily individualism or collectivism, but variety. In Germany, you talk with decent Germans in exactly one, standardized way. There is a social contract regarding what can and can't be said, and decent Germans and Germanized foreigners stick to that contract (that's what makes them decent). If you've learned how to deal with one decent German, you've learned to deal with all other decent Germans.

In Russia it's different. Decent, honest people can be very different on the outside. At work, in some places birthdays are celebrated, in others not (because some people hate this kind of event). In some teams you are supposed to address people with the formal "you" (вы), in others -- with the informal one (ты).

My theory is that greater variety increases the chances of society's survival. Russia has been subjected to all sorts of threats to a higher extent and for a longer time (basically, always) and therefore developed this greater variety than calmer and more stable Germany.

Whether a person keeps to themselves or socializes depends on a particular situation. More than once I experienced the following pattern: A bunch of people live close to each other and don't like each other. They are different in age, gender, nationality, social status.

Then something happens, e. g. a pipe breaks.

Suddenly all those diverse people start to cooperate to fix the issue because it affects everybody. Human atoms turn into a molecule.

In my experience, despite the socially accepted level of noise (which results in thinner wall and poor noise insulation) and less personal space in public places, I prefer to live in a Russian society to any other I know well (German, Austrian).

Nothing makes you like the Russian society as much as the experience of having lived in the non-Russian ones.

J M Hatch's avatar

Curiosity, well tempered and managed so as not to cross the states hard lines, must have been a key survival skill under both Tsarist and Soviet systems and probably holds true to a lesser extent today. I left my e-book reader at home or I'd go look up all those terms for getting rare items, etc., which require information you can't get from formal systems of education and information dissemination. Similarly gossip was probably important in knowing who was acting as an agent vs. their own profit, etc. Does this speculation sound reasonable?

The cult of privacy in America is funny, some (not all) people will carry an Android/iPhone listening to everything they say, have Alexa cameras all through their homes, but be tightlipped even with family, this is particularly true among the middle class, jockeying for power inside their small resource base. This cult of privacy in part is a tool of keeping the lower and middle class down and/or out. Ivey league/upper class families send their kids to schools that teach how to close ranks and part of that process is not worrying about privacy among members of the class while creating a wall of silence, just like how thousands of people on the Epstein list have avoiding any impact and probably go about molesting children with much the same impunity using other suppliers. Being seen to be an abuser is a key path to power/money.

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